that hurt him, i think, in his re-election bid against bill clinton back in 1992. it is part of the game. it is what goes on. but i think these debates are going to be really, really important for that, 6%, 7%, 8% who are legitimately undecided or switchable, haven't completely made up their minds. they're going to be watching the three presidential debates, the one vice presidential debate in october. and they'll make up their minds. i think all the people who are voting now early, they basically have already made up their minds obviously. that's why they're voting early and they're not going to necessarily -- they don't think they'll be influenced by the debates. maybe some of them will be. but it will be too late for them because they already will have voted. >> well, let's talk about some of the polls and whether they're indications of anything. particularly these polls that give us a glimpse of three of the nine swing states. journal marist poll showing romney trailing the president by 7 points in new hampshire. romney trailing obama by two points in north car